Two-strike strikeouts, three-ball walks, and other counting failures | Dorktown

13-Fev, 2021
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Have you ever tried counting to four? It’s a skill that’s almost impossible to master, and baseball players and umpires find it as difficult as the rest of us do. In this episode of Dorktown, we’re examining the dozens of times that everyone on the baseball diamond has gotten the count wrong.
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  • That' the public school system. The rewards of dumbing down the public.

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  • 7:20

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  • I remember the opening scene of Tom Selek's "Mr Baseball", where he has a nightmare where he keeps swinging into strikes but the umpire never calls an out. Strike 8, strike 9, strike 10 boy its really hard to battle back when you're that far down in the count

    Gary BarberGary Barber6 kun oldin
  • Ya know if I ran an MLB team I might keep a guy on staff to keep track of this.

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  • What about 5 ball walks and 4 strike strikeouts?

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  • Watch Jomboy instead. Doesn't take him 24mins to rundown something like this. Who seriously would watch 24 minutes of this? If its you.. don't you have better things to do with your time?

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  • Hitting a foul counts as a ball. You got the example at 6:00 wrong.

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  • So in regards to the Twins-Rays game, I totally hear Jon on that, but couldn't it also be argued that the league office simply said that the call was irreversible? The replay system was so new at the time that it's highly likely they didn't know what to do in that situation.

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  • There is entirely too much baseball. I mean the NFL gets a season done in 16 games. Baseball is 10 times more than that which is stupid. NHL is half of a baseball season and NBA is less than half. We absolutely do not need 162 games per team in the MLB.

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  • seems like their may be some sort of peer pressure thing going on here. Pitcher and batter both forget the count, umpire makes the wrong call, and then the rest of the team and broadcast crew just goes along with it because they assume that the count they had in their heads must have been wrong, because there could be no way that the pitcher, batter, and umpire would all screw it up.

    Adar MarcusAdar Marcus23 kun oldin
  • Today the Reds’ Kyle Farmer reached base twice in one inning without a hit or walk. I feel like this is historic.

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  • One instance I didn’t see here, but remember watching it live was in 1988 or 1989 (I’m pretty sure it was 1988) in Chicago, with the Cubs hosting the Pirates in a Saturday afternoon nationally broadcast game (I believe it was ABC). This was an important game, because both the Cubs (then managed by Don Zimmer) and the Pirates (then managed by Jim Leyland) were in the old NL East, and were contending for the Division Championship. Eric Gregg was the plate umpire, and John Kibler was the crew chief. I can’t remember the names of the other umpires, but all four lost track of the count, and of course there was no recourse to replay. I’m not certain even the broadcast was able to replay the at-bat. But both managers and teams knew something was wrong, as the crew gathered to try to figure out the count. They eventually ruled in the Cubs favor, because I DO remember Jim Leyland doing a twenty minute tirade, and none of the umpires tossed him. They knew they screwed up, one way or the other, and none of them had a ball/strike indicator (I looked closely at the longest mistake here, with the replay, and the plate umpire did have one in his left hand). I don’t remember if they checked with the official scorer, who would be in the press box, but if they did, the broadcasters didn’t mention it. What makes it stand out was that unlike most of the incidents you showed, the managers were paying attention, and there were long conversations with both team managers, and while neither were pleased, Leyland was justifiably furious. I wasn’t recording the game, so I have no tape, but as this was an important game, and was nationally broadcast, it’s likely that someone (especially in Chicago or Pittsburgh) has a copy. (I’m in Massachusetts, so I’m not a fan of either team). Anyway, it’s an incident which might stir your interest, and I wish I had more information and a better memory. I did do some umpiring myself many years ago, and I did have this happen once. It was during an American Legion game (16-18 year olds). I had an indicator, and what happened was a slow rolling ground ball that went up the third base line, almost to the bag, before it rolled foul. As there were only two umpires, as plate umpire, I had to make that call, and after, couldn’t remember whether I had clicked the indicator or not. I signaled to my partner, basically asking for the count. I was told there were two strikes. This was not correct, but neither players nor coaches said anything. So it wound up being a two strike strikeout. After that inning, my partner informed me what the count really had been. Needless to say, I wasn’t thrilled, but he stated that he would have given the correct count had the coach caught my error and complained. I’ve felt a little bad about it, as I believe it’s our job to get the calls right. Honest mistakes do happen, but I wouldn’t do that to a partner or a team. That doesn’t mean that I never made mistakes. We’re human, and that’s going to happen. But that was the only time I ever got the count wrong, though I wish my partner had corrected me. In that long incident in the video (with the crew checking with replay) my guess is that the omission happened on that fourth pitch, with the ball headed right for the umpire’s face, before the catcher knocked the ball away, inadvertently blocking the umpire’s view (which led to the incorrect foul ball call). He likely forgot to turn his ball/strike indicator, and that was how that started. But the other umpires should be using an indicator themselves, as a backup. That is how we were trained, and we RARELY had four crew members. It was usually two, and sometimes only one. Anyway, very interesting video. You would think that the coaching staffs would be on top of this, especially in an era where they keep such close watch on the pitch count of every pitcher. But the other umpires really should be backing up the plate umpire (the busiest position) on the count. With four crew members, there’s just no excuse, regardless of how unimportant a game may be. Of course, at the major league level, some initiative is required of the players. If a batter walks away from home, he’s abandoning his at-bat. It’s similar to the appeal (if a runner misses a base, or leaves too soon on a fly ball) the umpires, by rule, cannot call a player out unless the defensive team properly appeals the play (usually by having the ball and standing on the proper base). That onus is on the defensive players, and if they fail to appeal immediately and properly, the play stands. It works that way with batting out of order, also. The rules are different for high school level baseball.

    John CroninJohn Cronin24 kun oldin
  • Yeah 100 games a year IS enough. They need to cut it back.

    ScottScott25 kun oldin
  • It makes the "ball eight" line from Bob Uecker more real

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  • JB: "In fact, it happens all the time" Me: "WHAT!?"

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  • This is why umpires in cricket have counters on them, and the scorers, third umpire or players can inform the on-field umpire/s of how many balls have been bowled in the over

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  • Umpires were legitimately more careful back then. I think sports illustrated wrote about this

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    • But it’s ridiculous to think that not one umpire made a mistake over a 20-year period, and then only one each decade thereafter

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  • If they could count to 4 they would have a real job contributing to society, not playing a bunch of pathetic school yard games.

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  • The Fox TV crew just gave the Cowboys a Washington touchdown and just silently fixed the counter after a commercial break like it didn't happen.

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  • So as far as we know there has never been a 3 strike non-strikeout.

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  • What's with the sawtooth pattern for game length at 20:00?

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  • I wonder what the age of these umpires are compared to the league average.

    Ryan OtterosRyan OtterosOy oldin
    • And their average time in the league.

      Ryan OtterosRyan OtterosOy oldin
  • The sentiment at the end is funny to me. You could definitely walk a few times but do it enough and you’re the Minecraft dream of baseball. We could come over your records and see that you’re walking a few times a season “by accident”. You’d have to be inhumanly selective about when you do it

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  • 1 in 69.... nice

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  • Just coming to this after falling victim to a 4 ball three strike count

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  • 21:00 that is a really distinct saw pattern on those times. I was initially very confused about that pattern, but after thinking about it for a minute, it's probably every day of the season where each day's games are sorted from shortest to longest. Would have been cool if you would've colored each day's games (or shaded the graph for each day or something) to make that a little more clear. Your charts are dope, tho. You make some of the prettiest data videos on youtube. Maybe THE prettiest.

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  • Anyone know the music playing from 19:39 and onward?

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  • Why are we so confused about this? Does it really need to be an entire video? Me any my friends loose count like this all the time at the local volleyball park? Nothing special.

    Joel TunneyJoel TunneyOy oldin
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  • So...can we just call this the Angel Hernandez Disorder and have medicine look a cure.

    SehwanDANNY CheonSehwanDANNY CheonOy oldin
  • I like the article from Tacoma where Wedge said 'yeah I knew it was 3-1 but I was gonna walk him anyways lmao'

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  • Stewart was a famously awful hitter, a fact Yankees fans were aware of (and yelled at Girardi a lot about), as his at bats were frequently referred to as 'clearing the pitcher.' Naturally, people glued to their screens and readying their next pithy comment, we did notice the 2 strike strikeout, it just became a running gag that Stewart was so bad that only he could manage it. I think he doubled in his next at-bat on a pop up down the third base line.

    Ross McIntireRoss McIntireOy oldin
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    Joshua MaddenJoshua Madden2 oy oldin
  • The 2-2 count on pitch five was correct. If the catcher fails to catch the ball off the pitch, the ball is live and the batter can run to first. It's not a strike, it's not a ball, and since the batter didn't run his at bat continues at 2-1. The strike on pitch five brings the count, correctly, to 2-2. That umpire was the smartest person in the park.

    apostateCourierapostateCourier2 oy oldin
  • I saw Other Counting Failures, and the first thing that came to mind was " Oh, like 5 Downs?"

    Phil GoadPhil Goad2 oy oldin
  • 96 people had two strike strikeouts in little league

    George CastilloGeorge Castillo2 oy oldin
  • Rugby league has a tackle count. Imagine a team loosing a finals game because of the refs miss counting

    Hoopys South West AdventuresHoopys South West Adventures2 oy oldin
  • The thing about the two-strike strikeout is it's actually still potentially within the rules. If the batter just walks away after strike two, and doesn't come back to the box, then they'll get hit with strike three and called out. So that's presumably 'officially' what happened on that one.

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  • poor mariners

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  • Any thoughts on the pattern in the game-length graph? It's very repetitive: a short game is followed by a slightly longer game, and a longer one, and a longer one, for 5 or 6 games. Then you have a very long game, sometimes an extremely long game, and the next game is short. And repeat, for the entire season. Is it a days-of-the-week thing? A television-scheduling thing? What's going on? You guys are sports-stats dorks of the highest order, have you not thought about this?

    Martin BrummellMartin Brummell2 oy oldin
  • Kerry Wood’s 18th strikeout was on a 1-1 count but he did strike Brad Asmus out on 3 pitches but imagine if the ump used the 1-1 scoreboard count

    Quentin WrightQuentin Wright2 oy oldin
  • This just happened in the White Sox Brewers game. Inning 3, top of the inning, seconds batter, umpire didn’t recognize a pitch happened even happened. Ended in a 5 ball walk.

    Bossman2025Bossman20252 oy oldin
  • Yeah, of course Wei-ying Chen knew. Taiwanese people know how to count. That's why Andrew Yang's slogan is MATH.

    Sean SuSean Su2 oy oldin
  • these videos are so relaxing to watch

    Marcus CorneliousMarcus Cornelious2 oy oldin
  • as far as other sports, Josip Šimunić got 3 yellow cards before being sent off playing for croatia vs australia in the 2006 world cup. (You're only supposed to get 2 before getting sent off and your team being down a man) That one is notable because the main ref writes down who received cards when he gives them, so he screwed up not only counting but reading/notation. The croatian who got it grew up in australia so the ref wrote that an australian player got one of his cards because of the accent (instead of croatia #3 he wrote australia #3) I don't think there's a high uncountable amount of times this happened though because refs in soccer actually write things down instead of mentally keeping track of balls/strike like in baseball.

    Arsenalfanatic09Arsenalfanatic092 oy oldin
  • What software is this video made with?!? I used something like this to make an info graphic display and can’t remember the program/website! I’m sure this video is using the same thing I used to create my college presentations. If anyone knows, please tell me!

    Dylan HaseDylan Hase2 oy oldin
  • They definitely need to drastically shorten the season and the length of the game. Cut the season in half and shorten the game to 7 innings with a maximum of 10. Tie games don't count for pct calculations.

    Jason FischerJason Fischer2 oy oldin
  • "we don't need a sweatshirt! You're in San Diego and I'm in hell!"

    Mark KromekeMark Kromeke2 oy oldin
  • Rewatching just bc

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  • The Yunel Escobar Rays at bat where the umps when into replay had me laughing so hard.

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  • "5 full minutes in which nothing really happens" you, sir, are in no position to complain.

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  • I work in TV broadcasting and have run the bug (it’s not a chyron!) many times. It’s all manual and it’s definitely a tougher job than you think. Odds are when a mistake happens on the field with the count, the bug operator and production truck know it-but if it’s not caught on the field they’ll have to fall in line so as not to “appear” wrong.

    Chris J. NelsonChris J. Nelson2 oy oldin
  • On July 11, 2015 Mark Reynolds homered against the Pirates while having three strikes.

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  • Great content and analysis, love this.

    Steve ParishSteve Parish2 oy oldin
  • What I have learnt from this video: Even baseball PLAYERS cannot stand to watch baseball

    Xavier BorgasXavier Borgas2 oy oldin
  • Thank god for people who pronounce asterisk right. I'm not a native English speaker and it still bugs me

    Angelos AnastasopoulosAngelos Anastasopoulos2 oy oldin
  • Talking about if any of these mess ups had any game altering implications around minute 21 has me thinking and suggesting a chart party where you analyze early season game/play implications that hypothetically had postseason affect.

    elliottthelegend1elliottthelegend12 oy oldin
  • Baseball the most boring sport in the world where somehow they're players keep making more money than any other sport.

    David PrevostDavid Prevost2 oy oldin
  • A different way of putting the math in the "too much baseball" section- let's say you watch literally nonstop baseball forever, 24 hours a day every day. While we're at it, let's assume every single game only runs 2 hours long, just a little longer than the fastest game ever played. Ignore the postseason. You would be able to watch every new game plus every game back to 2000 by 2046. Then remember that you have not yet seen a whole century plus worth of baseball yet.

    Jim CeliaJim Celia2 oy oldin
  • "theres too much baseball" *me a blaseball fan* oh no

    Solahi FuefosSolahi Fuefos2 oy oldin
  • Law Enforcement, even in sport, are just as corrupt.

    MMMmyshawarmaMMMmyshawarma2 oy oldin
  • If you’re watching your pitcher throw 4 balls and not see a walk you ain’t talking

    Jason BerubeJason Berube2 oy oldin
  • I think three yellow cards in a soccer match is pretty hilarious... And it happened in World Cup match too. Australia vs Croatia 2006

    jasta07jasta072 oy oldin
  • I very much enjoy that the plate appearance in question was Jon vs Alex.

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  • UZworld has been recommending countless videos of why baseball needs to be fixed

    JacksonJackson2 oy oldin
  • How can anyone keep count of 253 points in a basketball game? That is RIDICULOUS.

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  • The soundtrack to this video makes it nearly unwatchable. That horrible beeping during the bit on the mariners made me want to die.

    snotts123456snotts1234562 oy oldin
  • Being unable to count is an easy way to mess up. In "soccer", there have been instances in which the shot didn't even hit the goal, yet the referee awarded a goal anyways. I'm definitively aware of two instances in Germany, one in which the ball was shot into the goal through a hole in the side of the net and one in which it just simply rolled besides the goal and off into the great yonder of the stadium.

    Gregor MeisenGregor Meisen2 oy oldin